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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2010 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Multiple drum breaks...

Drums are very important Rich, they drive the band. Its basically how the drums went, so went the show. If Billy/Mickey were not on, your were not going to get a great show.

I really dig the shows with multiple drum breaks! So much better than the extended "Persian" breaks of the 80's!

Last night I listened to 11/6/70. Its got three excellent drum breaks that each have that big band sound that I love so much! Sounds like Gene Krupa sitting in...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-11-06.d3new.hanno.19922.sbeok.shnf

The Tea Party Show on 12/30/69 has three great drums segments...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-12-30.sbd.miller.28469.sbeok.shnf

Perhaps my very favorite drums are from 4/15/70 and are along the lines of what you might expect to hear from Mike Shieve at a Santana performance...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-04-15.sbd.kaplan.14354.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 27, 2010 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Multiple drum breaks...

70s drum solos have a PUNCH to them that just started developing in those days, then was snipped off at the root when Mickey left the band. Makes me wonder where they would have gone had he stuck around - maybe they would have developed the manly rawness that is 1970 and become a heavier band throughout the 70s than they ended up becoming? I've always felt that the jazzy turn they took in 1973 was a direct result of having only one drummer (who happened to be a god when it came to tight, jazz-rock drumming).

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Multiple drum breaks...

I like where you come from with respect to our boys, and how, as in this instance your temperament, wit and knowledge are evident. (I just wrapped up enjoying yours links) You take your share of blows – and I won’t say you don’t draw them out – so - without any cause for preposterousness or challenge I am going to post this. what I typed first.

While the eighties might not be considered progress if contrasted with endless examples of former prowess and concentration from the undisputed glory of the ‘earlier days’ ( a time period with differing champions), this is the progress the band, and Jerry – Persian attached as he was – had achieved, and where many of us found ourselves grasping firsthand his wonderful entertainment value – as hard as it can nowadays come off revisiting via the recordings. I can’t deny how great it is to hear it and talk about it here, but I will never discount the glory of being there then.

If there is more I could say than what gets said I hope I realize it in time to add something worthwhile – otherwise I’d just like to say it is so cool to read all this stuff and listen to the links. I have made you all part of my world – and I extend a hearty ‘cool stuff’ to Genni Benni, midnight sun and LiA. My cup of tea. Peace, Dan.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 27, 2010 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Multiple drum breaks...

I've never been able to sit through an 80s show from start to finish, save one - 5/6/81, dick's picks 13. I thoroughly enjoyed that show, and I thought it was cool. Other than that though (especially later in the decade) all the shows sound lame to me on the whole. The Dylan covers and Brent songs especially kill the vibe for me.

However, I do get a kick out of the 90s performances of classic songs like box of rain - some of them are really beautiful.

Thanks for your thoughts, vapors. A lot of the folks around here enjoy the later stuff as much if not more than the early stuff. They're usually just not as outspoken as people like me, LiA, william tell, etc. I know one day I will give the later days a more attentive ear, but until then I'm rocking the pre-hiatus years more than anything else.